2008 NFL Draft Order, Final

The 2008 NFL Amateur Draft order:

1. Miami 1-15, 138 opponent wins
2. St. Louis 3-13, 131
3. Atlanta 4-12, 132, won coin toss with Oakland
4. Oakland 4-12, 132, 1-11 common games with Kansas City
5. Kansas City 4-12, 132, 2-10 common games with Oakland
6. New York Jets 4-12, 134
7. San Francisco (held by New England) 5-11, 119
8. Baltimore 5-11, 132
9. Cincinnati 7-9, 118
10. New Orleans 7-9, 123
11. Buffalo 7-9, 132, lost head-to-head against Denver
12. Denver 7-9, 132, won head-to-head against Buffalo
13. Carolina 7-9, 134
14. Chicago 7-9, 139, lost both games, head-to-head, against Detroit
15. Detroit 7-9, 139, won both games, head-to-head, against Chicago
16. Arizona 8-8, 111
17. Minnesota 8-8, 129
18. Houston 8-8, 132
19. Philadelphia 8-8, 144
20. Tampa Bay 9-7, 120
21. Washington 9-7, 142
22. Cleveland 10-6, 110, no playoffs (pick held by Dallas)
23. Pittsburgh 10-6, 116
24. Tennessee 10-6, 128
25. Seattle 10-6, 106, reached divisional round
26. Jacksonville 11-5, 132
27. San Diego 11-5, 128, reached conference championship
28. Dallas 13-3, 127
29. Indianapolis 13-3, 132 (pick held by San Francisco)
30. Green Bay 13-3, 120, reached conference championship
31. New York Giants 10-6, 132, won Super Bowl
XX. New England 16-0, 120 (no pick).

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28 Responses to “2008 NFL Draft Order, Final”

  1. Mike Says:

    You’re the first site I could find with the updated list through today’s games. Way to go!!!

    Mike

  2. Jim Gindin Says:

    Thanks. I’m hoping people spread the word. Trying to get lots of people to download Front Office Football demos.

  3. Dave Says:

    Ditto on being first to post the 2008 NFL draft order.

    I sure hope the Chiefs secure #3 overall…man o man, do we need help!

  4. ed Says:

    Y aint the jets in the 3way tie????????

  5. john john Says:

    Strength of schedule to the jets fan

  6. Randy Says:

    IS teh coin flip truly the next step after strength of schedule ties? I mean, Denver beat Buffalo this year. Would they really flip for 11 and 12?

  7. Jim Gindin Says:

    Yes. The only tiebreakers used for the draft are strength of schedule, division record and conference record.

  8. Jamie Says:

    Good job on getting this up to date, your on the ball..thanks, I hope the Raiders get the coin toss!!

  9. mike Says:

    if indy wins it should improve the raiders stranght of schedule. The raiders played indy…

  10. Judd Says:

    I myself was looking for an updated list – you were the first – thanks

  11. Jim Gindin Says:

    Thanks, Jamie, Judd.

    Mike, all three teams – Kansas City, Atlanta and Oakland – played both Tennessee and Indianapolis this season. The charts above include this.

    No matter who wins this game, the only teams affected in the draft order are Tennessee, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Washington and Tampa Bay. And that’s only because Tennessee would improve its record and make the playoffs with a victory.

  12. Randy Says:

    Why do you have the Raiders involved in a “two tiered coin toss” as a tie-breaker? The rules state that the 1st tiebreaker is “strength of schedule”, and Oakland had the toughest scedule in the NFL….both KC and Atlanta had easier schedules. I think Oakland was tied with one other team for the toughest schedule…but it wasn’t KC or Atlanta.

  13. Jim Gindin Says:

    There are many ways to determine strength of schedule. For the purposes of calculating the draft order, the NFL simply adds up all the wins and losses from each team’s opponents.

    Teams with a poorer strength of schedule actually win this tiebreaker.

    Oakland’s opponents were 132-124 this season, as were Kansas City’s and Atlanta’s.

    The toughest overall schedule using this method was actually Philadelphia’s. The Eagles’ collective opponents were 144-112. Washington was second (142-114) and Detroit and Chicago tied for third (139-117).

    Seattle played the easiest schedule (106-150), followed by Cleveland (110-146) and Arizona (111-145).

  14. dennis Says:

    If Seattle had the easier schedule, than why are they picking behind the Cleveland/Dallas pick? Shouldn’t Cleveland/Dallas pick be #23 and Seattle #22? Just wonderin…

  15. Don Says:

    One of the order criteria used before going to a a tie breaker formula (SOS) is making the playoffs. Since Seattle made the playoffs and Cleveland did not, the Cleveland pick (Held by Dallas) is 22 and Seattle is 23.

  16. Kyle Says:

    How certain are you that head to head is not a determing factor? Because a number of Kansas City fans seem to think that Kansas City having a better record against common opponents than Oakland will give Oakland the higher pick. Myself, I didn’t think that had anything to do with the selection process.

  17. Dan Says:

    Jim-
    Explain to me how these rules on NFL.com don’t give the Raiders a higher pick than the Chiefs:

    If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied,
    If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.

    Under the above rules the Raiders would draft head of the Chiefs under the division tie-breakers:

    1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).

    2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

    3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

    4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

    Raiders ‘win’ in #3.
    http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

  18. Jim Gindin Says:

    Going back to the realignment, there’s never been a case like this, so I can’t be absolutely certain.

    The NFL is very precise with language. The link you mention, as with all the links, refer specifically to “conference” tiebreakers. Yet the process with all those steps is a “wild card” tiebreaker.

    If they had meant to use the wild-card tiebreakers, they would have written something along the lines of “reverts to step one of the wild-card” tiebreaker.

    They have no problem with using coin flips for the draft. That has happened many times in the past. But they have made a concerted effort to avoid this happening with a playoff spot.

    Because of the NFL’s love of using specific language, and because of James Adler’s reputation, I believe I have this right.

    About.com playoff tiebreaker procedures.

  19. Dan Says:

    Thanks.
    On Sportscenter they just said that the Chiefs Falcons Raiders are tied for the third spot and the NFL will break the tie on Monday with some sort of drawing and the other 4-12 team (Jets) picking 6th.

  20. Kevin Says:

    it’s rediculus that one overtime field goal can be the difference between the 3rd and the 6th pick. I can’t believe the Jets tried so hard to win.

  21. Joel Says:

    Jim, great work. I’m concerned as a Chiefs fan, that they will revert to using the same procedure which has the Chiefs finishing 3rd in thier division, which has been confirmed by the 2008 opponents being released. I too looked at the same link Dan posted. I have to say, that it is somewhat rediculous that they don’t have specific tiebreakers in writing for this exact occurance, as it was bound to happen. I also saw the SC blurb about the NFL determining the tiebreakers today…this seems highly suspect. I sure hope you are right, and the Chiefs can pick no worse than 4th.

  22. Don Says:

    The NFL has ruled. ATL/OAK will flip for 3rd. If OAK wins, ATL/KC will flip for 4th.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d805a3a57&template=without-video&confirm=true

  23. Jim Gindin Says:

    Thanks. It appears the interpretation many of us have been using for years was incorrect.

    I apologize to Chiefs and Broncos fans for getting their hopes up.

  24. Don Says:

    This is the correct decision based on how the rules are written today. I am disappointed for my Chiefs, but the ruling is fair. I do expect there to be controversy within the league office around the current criteria because the Falcons are the benficiary by virtue of non-involvement in a tie-breaking step. The Raiders/Chiefs were, in effect, penalized for being in the same division.

    Although the Falcons can still end up with the 5th pick, their chances of receiving the 3rd pick improved 17% by avoiding the 3-way flip. I will not be surprised if the rules change by this next year.

    With that said, the flips probably don’t matter much. The Raiders will probably fall in love with the idea of McFadden and draft him, the Falcons will get their QB and the Chiefs will get their OT.

  25. Jim Gindin Says:

    I’m not sure it was the best decision as it’s somewhat of an inconsistent one. I’m working on an article about it.

    This doesn’t change anything for the Falcons, as most interpretations (if not all) gave them a 50/50 shot at the 3rd pick. It only affects the tiebreaker between Oakland and Kansas City.

  26. Don Says:

    You’re correct that all interpretations give the Falcons a 50/50 chance of receiving the #3 pick. Which is precisely the reason the criteria should change.

    The situation is that in step 1 of the process, each of the 4-12 teams are evaluated. The Jets lose on SOS and receive the 6th pick. This is fair as all teams are involved in the evaluation process. In step 2 only the Chiefs and Raiders are evaluated and the Falcons receive a pass.

    This is inherently unfair and improves the Falcons chances of receiving pick 3 from 33% to 50%. All teams should be involved in every elimination phase.

    If the NFL wants to use head to head or common opponents as part of the criteria, that’s fine. However, all effected teams should be involved in each step. Division/Conference standings are irrelevant once you have teams involved that are in different divisions/conferences.

    I fully understand the need for the NFL to avoid random chance when determining who makes the playoffs, so the complexity of the tiebreaker system seems justified. In the realm of draft position, it’s just silly. We could argue forever about which of these teams is worse without any real resolution.

    The truth is that they all finished 4-12 with an equal SOS. A random chance resolution (coin flip or lottery) is by far the most fair way to decide draft position.

  27. Jim Gindin Says:

    I agree with you. The process is inconsistent in that it partially applies the existing playoff tiebreakers without properly dealing with inter-conference ties.

    The addition of strength of schedule as the sole inter-conference tiebreaker seems arbitrary and not completely thought through. That is readily apparent in the confusing manner in which they wrote the rules.

    They should either have logically extended the existing playoff tiebreakers, in which case the Jets would actually have the 3rd pick, Oakland the 4th, Kansas City the 5th and Atlanta the 6th (through combinations of common games, strength of victory and strength of schedule) or just flipped a coin 33/33/33 as you suggest with the Jets picking 6th.

  28. Kevin Says:

    Good stuff, and good discussion – thanks, Jim.


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